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其實八時入席開始很想睇邦主同林少少,但不知從那一個晚上開始喜歡了睇邦主和雲飛飛,邦主和十仔,臣飛的吸引力在於權力,臣十的吸引在於男人之間的情,到現在這兩條線亦非常吸引,非常好睇,老實說臣少這條線真的不太吸引,謝謝:)

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-01 11:01

ylleung1965
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對我來說臣飛的結局多少是爛尾了, 或者是我期望太高吧
前一集才講和飛飛的一段情令古曉臣肋骨痛, 他又如此珍視那份記載了他們故事的劇本, 下一集他卻表現得好像什麼都沒發生過, 這段過去對他的意義好像只剩下他對曉陽離開的內疚...只是四集已經有那麼多前後不一致的情況, 可惜... 心疼雲飛飛, 希望她放下會有更大的天空, 更適合她的人等著她。

另外說說小小的角色, 編劇還是繼續神化她, 如果古曉臣因為和小小傾談後就想通了, 決定放下和飛飛的過去, 那飛飛十幾年來被他記恨著是為了什麼? 就是為了等一個小小的出現? 編劇是想不出一個更好的方法令古曉臣放下心結, 才讓小小再次做救世主吧...

最後, 想表白一下我對年輕版臣飛的演出實在很喜歡, 雖然他們之間有很多誤會, 彼此性格未必適合, 也許雙方都不夠愛對方才沒有人願意先讓步, 但他們的故事絕對是目前八時最令人難忘的一段。

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-02 0:01

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In regards to the changes made to 曉臣's character and those who claim 曉臣 wants a 簡單 relationship:

The whole "simple love" (簡單愛情) argument is ridiculous. Yes, that would pass as an excuse to breakup with someone if we're talking about 十仔, Terry, 招偉...or almost any other male character in 八時入席 but this is 古曉臣 - a guy whose nickname is 邦主. An arrogant, rebellious, hot-blooded, workaholic, drill sergeant boss who snaps his hand and treats his subordinates like troops thinks his truest of heart soul mate will be a simple, sweet, little lady? What? Really?!

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發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-02 5:02

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(continued from prior post)

To put it simply, 邦主's character is the classic 遇強越強 type of person who loves to be challenged and excels in debate and competition. If he wasn't this type of person to start with, then yes, we might be able to accept the "simple love" excuse. But to have such a strong/competitive character be downgraded to the point where he will literally "wimp out" of a relationship and breakup with a girl because "she is too complex for me" (when he, himself is just as complex a person) is not only out-of-character but downright demeaning to women.

It’s sending the message that complex men is okay but a complex woman is not appropriate and not marriage material. How can any fan support this idea? It doesn't even make logical or moral sense.

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-02 5:02

StoryForest
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Storyforest,

關於邦主想要"簡單愛情", 我又有另一個睇法。邦主這個人, 從一出場, 編劇就讓大家知道他是一個嚮往"烏托邦"— 一個純粹、近乎完美的世界的人。他除了在工作世界中追求這個目標, 在他的個人生活空間, 包括感情空間, 也奉行烏托邦主義。結合他高傲的性格, 他理想的感情世界必須是純粹的,並且容不下任何污點 (耍手段是走捷徑, 在他眼中就算是污點)。他不是抗拒複雜性格、有自己的想法的女人(相反我覺得思想簡單的女人不會跟得上他步伐),所以他跟飛飛表明他的底線是她不耍手段在他身上, 他想保持的是他感情世界的純粹和坦誠,讓他在複雜世界戰鬥到筋竭力疲後,可以回到一個讓他安心的地方。

所以我認為, 不一定是性格思想簡單的女人才能跟古曉臣走下去, 性格複雜的女人未必不能, 只是她必需要主動融入他的世界,而她要融入他的世界就要犧牲自己的一些東西甚至偶爾要扮蠢, 才能使兩人的感情世界和洽。而年輕版曉臣最讓我不滿的, 就是他從沒給飛飛一個機會去適應和調整, 去嘗試融入他的世界。

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-02 12:59

borngold
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為了官配:
醜化了古曉臣(精神分裂),神化了小小(簡直比馬壯還接近神),痴情化了飛飛。。。

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-02 21:18

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為了官配:
醜化了古曉臣(精神分裂),神化了小小(簡直比馬壯還接近神),痴情化了飛飛。。。

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痴情化了飛飛還可以接受, 前兩者真的不能忍。可以想像之後寫官配, 又會把古曉臣漂白返, 他的自大自私會消失不見, 只對小小一人溫柔, 彼此感情會如魚得水。編劇究竟知唔知醜?

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-02 21:26

borngold
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痴情化了飛飛還可以接受, 前兩者真的不能忍。可以想像之後寫官配, 又會把古曉臣漂白返, 他的自大自私會消失不見, 只對小小一人溫柔, 彼此感情會如魚得水。編劇究竟知唔知醜?
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一樣呀!只接受了痴情化的飛飛。(看完四集真的好心痛她)
變成這樣的他.....還是古曉臣(雖然現在也不像了)
到時人家是整容,他是換腦。
劇組知醜知尴尬,就唔會編成咁啦!徧離大眾,服務小眾。唔知日後劇播完後,回想這段日子會有甚麼樣感想。

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-02 21:49

cancang
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雲飛飛錯愛廿年。廿年來,被尖酸刻薄對待的是古曉臣,不是雲飛飛。為了不敢面對真正的自己,而任意踐踏深愛自己的女人,行為令人不恥,他對雲飛飛究竟付出過多少愛。

編劇為男一女一要其他角色不合理情理地讓路。109集臣飛起床後,那通電話明顯是一個誤會,有証有據,稍為調解,甚至去埋美國實地考察就冇事啦。雲飛飛仲咁愛古曉臣,說服人是她強項,怎麼會含冤莫白,不為自己解釋、不去爭取所愛。不合邏輯劇情。

108集,古曉臣心知肚明自己為什麼常對雲飛飛大呼小叫,極其量是林小小推他一把去面對自己真我吧了,唔好以為咁様就係開竅,仲教時生睇慢煮牛扒!

受不了自私目空別人的古曉臣,也受不了比老人家還能看透世情、洞悉人心的林小小。

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-02 23:30

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(耍手段是走捷徑, 在他眼中就算是污點)。。。不一定是性格思想簡單的女人才能跟古曉臣走下去, 性格複雜的女人未必不能, 只是她必需要主動融入他的世界,而她要融入他的世界就要犧牲自己的一些東西甚至偶爾要扮蠢, 才能使兩人的感情世界和洽。。。
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borngold: I hear your point and would agree with you if only 曉臣 was not a conniving/scheming person himself. We’ve seen him use schemes on others time and again. But he will not accept it when he is on the receiving end?

This is the problem.

This is why the audience feels betrayed and let down. There is nothing wrong with being a scheming character, we love 社長 for that very reason but it is wrong for 曉臣to turn someone else away for being scheming when he, himself is not innocent of the same trait – this makes his character act like a hypocrite and no one wants to root for a hypocrite.

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發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-02 23:45

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(continued from prior post)

If he was Ah Green, then yes, he has every right to say 飛飛 is too scheming because Ah Green is one of those strait-laced artists - 邦主 is not. But that’s why audiences loved 邦主 because he does not play by the rules - it’s a flaw that made him interesting and human. But when he holds this against the woman he claims to “love”, it dehumanizes his character and audiences can no longer relate.

Ultimately, the show creators’ reason for tearing apart such a perfectly matched couple like 臣飛 is apparent – we all know why – but do we choose to accept it? Do we choose to support it? No.

Because it is simply not the right reason.

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-02 23:48

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古曉臣同小小才是最配的一對, 過去的古曉臣和雲...只有誤會和吵架,好煩,點行一世?

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-02 23:58

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古曉臣同小小才是最配的一對, 過去的古曉臣和雲...只有誤會和吵架,好煩,點行一世?
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Perhaps your statement would be more convincing if you can provide examples of good TV/movie couples that have no 誤會和吵架.

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-03 0:17

StoryForest
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臣飛的誤會和吵架唔係發生在昨天,而係發生喺20年前。如果臣飛這20年來都沒解決咗呢D誤會,就證明佢地愛得唔夠深。如果真係深愛對方,都唔會20年來乜都唔做,一個唔願解釋一個唔願去了解,兩個理念有衝突的人,相愛容易相處難,就算硬係要佢地喺一起都遲早分開。既然20年前愛得最深嘅時候都無在一起,唔通20年後先至突然間發現原來彼此咁深愛對方?都唔係幾講得通啦!佢地wrong timing, 或者注定佢地唔係對方的真命天子。不如就讓過去成為過去,去找自己對的人。

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-03 2:32

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佢地wrong timing, 或者注定佢地唔係對方的真命天子。不如就讓過去成為過去,去找自己對的人。

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Interesting. Isn't "wrong timing" the exact same excuse 社長 used on 老總 in 畢打? If "wrong timing" is a valid reason for breaking up, did you think 社長 and 老總 should not have gotten back together back when 畢打 was on air? Of course not.

As for the duration of 20 years and whether these 2 characters' love is strong or not. That is a matter of perspective. You say 20 years of misunderstanding means there is insufficient love, others would argue 20 years of not letting go is proof of how important they are to each other whether they realize it or not. The conversation would never end because everyone will have their own interpretation of what love is and how it should be defined.

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(continued from prior post)

What is undeniable, however, is how much the audience wants to see 臣飛 together. That is a fact - it can't be argued no matter how anyone twists the story or change its characters. These 2 characters are compatible by story definition whether it is setting, personality, background, status, actor chemistry, etc.

The only reason they are being broken up is because of actress favoritism - and that is wrong no matter how you dress it up.

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-03 3:45

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Wrong timing was just an excuse used by 社長, but things happened between 社長 and 老總 proven otherwise. And the feelings between them was strong enough to bring them closer and closer with what they went through together. This is totally different in the case of 臣飛, wrong timing just caused them walked away from each other. No doubt 飛 still has strong feeling in 臣 but I think 臣 can't let go is more because he blamed himself n her for what happened to 陽.

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-03 8:51

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Jingying,

試想像你就是積極進取的雲飛飛。你剛重遇這生「最著緊的人」,並且確認彼此仍然愛著對方,你們昨晚過了纏綿的一夜,剛才還打算一起吃早餐。怎知突然遇上一個可以解釋的誤會,你會怎樣做?

這不是wrong timing的問題,這是編劇沒有跟著正常人性去做,只把故事寫到這裡就停筆,最終目的也不過是製造臣小在一起的結果,是嗎?

刻意地營做而並沒有順著角色性格去寫,所以経常扭曲了角色的性格,做成精神分裂似的。這樣才能造就臣小合理化,縱然我是一個賞昇迷,一點也不覺得臣小好看。世上有需要永遠是祥毛CP嗎?

另林小小的角色真是非常不討好,除以往講過的問題外,仲成日好似閃閃縮縮去窺探別人的事,反觀Ryan是很光明磊落的。

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-03 9:57

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I agree with Chilimom.

Besides, the whole point that Jingying made about 賞昇 becoming “closer together” than 臣飛 is invalid given that 臣飛 went as far as sleeping together when all 賞昇 did was hold hands before officially getting together. You can argue that 賞昇had more emotional attachment but that is an unfair way of judging these relationships since the entirety of 賞昇’s story was drawn out in great detail using 300+ episodes while 臣飛’s backstory were shown merely in the flashbacks of 6 episodes.

My point, however, is not which relationship is stronger (of course we all love 賞昇) but that the excuse of “wrong timing” is simply not a valid reason for breaking up with someone as you have also pointed out. In fact, “wrong timing” is usually just a scriptwriter’s way of dragging out a couple’s relationship to stretch a show.

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-03 10:27

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為了官配:
醜化了古曉臣(精神分裂),神化了小小(簡直比馬壯還接近神),痴情化了飛飛。。。
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This. This said it all. I'm all for 臣小 because there's no way around it, we all know it's going to happen in the storyline so there's no point fighting for 臣飛, but so far the writers have handled the characters very badly.

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-03 10:32

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I actually don’t blame the writers that much because I don’t think they had this planned. They probably just came up with 臣飛’s story by chance as a way to create competition for 小臣 but 臣飛 turned out to be a much better CP.

But as for the show’s decision makers, when something like this happens, the smart thing to do is to put your story/characters 1st and your ego 2nd. Pairing 臣飛 will change the original direction of your show – so what? Please explain what's wrong with that? Because you lose face? You’re creating 200+ episodes of a series that will be seen by tens of thousands of people and instead of worrying about how to make the show great, you’re worried about losing face? That does not make any sense. There's nothing wrong with changing a show's direction if it makes it better. What IS wrong is keeping the direction even when the show is going downhill and doing nothing to change it.

Call me naïve for supporting 臣飛 but I rather be naïve and right than be practical and wrong.

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為了官配:
醜化了古曉臣(精神分裂),神化了小小(簡直比馬壯還接近神)

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發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-04 15:58

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試想像你就是積極進取的雲飛飛。你剛重遇這生「最著緊的人」,並且確認彼此仍然愛著對方,你們昨晚過了纏綿的一夜,剛才還打算一起吃早餐。怎知突然遇上一個可以解釋的誤會,你會怎樣做?

這不是wrong timing的問題,這是編劇沒有跟著正常人性去做,只把故事寫到這裡就停筆,最終目的也不過是製造臣小在一起的結果,是嗎?

刻意地營做而並沒有順著角色性格去寫,所以経常扭曲了角色的性格,做成精神分裂似的。這樣才能造就臣小合理化,縱然我是一個賞昇迷,一點也不覺得臣小好看。世上有需要永遠是祥毛CP嗎?

另林小小的角色真是非常不討好,除以往講過的問題外,仲成日好似閃閃縮縮去窺探別人的事,反觀Ryan是很光明磊落的。
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同意。

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試想像你就是積極進取的雲飛飛。你剛重遇這生「最著緊的人」,並且確認彼此仍然愛著對方,你們昨晚過了纏綿的一夜,剛才還打算一起吃早餐。怎知突然遇上一個可以解釋的誤會,你會怎樣做?

這不是wrong timing的問題,這是編劇沒有跟著正常人性去做,只把故事寫到這裡就停筆,最終目的也不過是製造臣小在一起的結果,是嗎?

刻意地營做而並沒有順著角色性格去寫,所以経常扭曲了角色的性格,做成精神分裂似的。這樣才能造就臣小合理化,縱然我是一個賞昇迷,一點也不覺得臣小好看。世上有需要永遠是祥毛CP嗎?

另林小小的角色真是非常不討好,除以往講過的問題外,仲成日好似閃閃縮縮去窺探別人的事,反觀Ryan是很光明磊落的。
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同意x2

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-04 22:56

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我真係認識有個好似古曉臣嘅真實個案,各位版友嘅踴躍意見針針見血。。而家冇咗嗰幾個版友,當堂少咗好多火花。。

發表於 Posted on: 2016-09-05 23:27

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